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sk3tch
Here is a list of packers/crypters I'm using to test AV software:

01) ASPack 2.12
02) ASProtect 1.23 RC4 build 08.07
03) ExeStealth 3.04
04) FSG 2.0
05) MEW11 SE 1.2
06) MoleBox 2.3.3
07) Morphine 2.7
08) PECompact2 2.55
09) UPX 1.25W
10) yoda's Crypter 1.3
11) yoda's Protector 1.0b

Anything else worthwhile I should test and/or any newer versions I'm missing (I think I'm current on all of the above).

Thanks!!!!
sk3tch
I'm doing pretty well this weekend at talking to myself...heh.

I added a couple others:

(Win)UPack 0.27 beta
PE-PACK 1.0
Packman 0.0.0.1
exe32pack 1.42
Petite 2.3
WWPack32 1.20
kbnet
Alright m8, theres loads listed on a site called "programming tools", they have decompilers, packers, unpackers and a section called fun stuff. I dont have the link though coz ive recently done a clean install and didnt back it up. Im sure ive seen it listed on govsec b4. I will try and find out what is was. The site has green text with a black background. If anyone knows the site im talking about could you please post the link. Cheers.

Can we have more details on the tests you are running?
sk3tch
Ah yes, I think I know what site you're referring to, I've been using it (and the thread I created a few months ago with a survey of member's fav packers) to compile my list:

http://protools.reverse-engineering.net/packers.htm

As far as the tests go, I was initially going to use EICAR, but getting that into a recognizable-by-all PE format has been somewhat of an issue. Compressing it and creating an SFX works but the resulting packed file doesn't. Binding it to other files works, but AV detects the binders instead of the contents (oops). So I ended up downloading Nimda...not very professional to use in-the-wild viruses, but it is for closed-circuit tests (I'm using my honeypots) so hopefully it won't be looked upon too badly. Nimda is packed with 21 different packers/crypters and then I run the full package of files through each AV product I have on my honeypots (12 in all) - which products detect which Nimda variants are being charted, etc.

Just an experiment that I'm using to supplement a paper I'm writing on antivirus products and their performance.
Thom
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Programming/P...ers-Protectors/

there's abunch of others aswell.
Reclone
Here is another site with allot of packers/compressers/crypters etc
http://www.exetools.com/
sk3tch
Thank you guys. I've completed that part of my research.

Ended up using the list above as it stands (20 different packing methods, including zip sfx/rar sfx)...because the testing was too time consuming to continually re-work with new packers. I think I covered the major bases.

My paper won't be released until later this year due to copyright (it is for a conference) but I can give you a small preview on the packers data. I broke down the testing by realtime and manual scans. There were 13 AV products involved, and the aforementioned 20 pack methods (it is out of 21 because one file was the Nimda sample without any additional packing):

1) Kaspersky
Realtime: 17/21
Manual: 19/21

2) BitDefender
Realtime: 12/21
Manual: 16/21

3) (TIE) McAfee
Realtime: 9/21
Manual: 15/21

3) (TIE) Sophos
Realtime: 12/21
Manual: 12/21

LAST) NOD32
Realtime: 1/21
Manual: 1/21
(i.e. it detected NONE of the packed samples)

There ya have it...of course I have details on who missed what, etc etc. but unfortunately I can't provide too much of that. I just wanted to give a glimpse so you guys get something out of my posts from the past few days. I'd say if you were going to pick AV based purely on the amount of packers they support - the choice is clear. Of course, there are many other factors involved in the decision but this is quite important.

I will be making my paper available as soon as I am allowed to. Thanks guys!!!
saetji
Nice. Out of curiousity what were the other 3 packers u used since I only see 17 listed in your original 2 posts and none after that
sk3tch
Ah, sorry...here's the complete list:

QUOTE
Nimda
Nimda SFX Zip
Nimda SFX RAR
ASPack 2.12
ASProtect 1.23 RC4 build 08.07
exe32pack 1.42
EXECryptor 2.0
ExeStealth 3.04
FSG 2.0
MEW11 SE 1.2
MoleBox 2.3.3
Morphine 2.7
Packman 0.0.0.1
PECompact2 2.55
PE-PACK 1.0
Petite 2.3
UPX 1.25W
WWPack32 1.20
yoda's Crypter 1.3
yoda's Protector 1.0b
(Win)UPack 0.27 beta
UnL0ad
what packers were used that made exe undetectable in kasperky?
TeXT
the tools.. only for compress.. not for hide viruses.. =)
use your hands.. and some brains to undetect viruses..)
sefe
QUOTE(UnL0ad @ Jun 21 2005, 10:18 PM)
what packers were used that made exe undetectable in kasperky?
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I know execrpytor hides files from ALL AV. wink.gif
garew4L813
of all the packers/encrytors i tried i think aphex doa is teh best. smile.gif its a new release but i am sure it will take a long time for avs to work it out.
aelphaeis_mangarae
QUOTE
what packers were used that made exe undetectable in kasperky?


If you know, don't post the info here...we all know THEY are watching....
Bedosman
Interesing , but all those I've tested can't bypass the Av detection if I pack some well known trojan /rootkit... with it , So good packers but not good to keep files beeing catched by AV ...
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