DEATHS IN TERROR ATTACKS



A number of people have been killed and dozens injured in a large-scale terrorist attack on London.

At least six bomb blasts have been reported in locations across the city.

Story updated @ 14:30 GMT+1 8/7/05



Read the story here: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188265,00.html









EDIT
I found a statement of a group claiming the bombings.
The image was in bad shape. but i mucked the quality a bit up with photoshop
I provided a large and small sample, since i dont have a clue whats better to read.
If you can read this please try to translate for me. FLX

small:


lEdited by GSecur: Image too big for front page.

EDIT2:
A friend of mine found someone who made a rough translation and summary of the statement:


Islam,ic ummah be proud of this attack!
This attack is an answer for the attacks on irak and afghanistan.
The brave mujahedin won this battle and put fear in the hearts of the british crusaders.
Before this attack we warned the government of the UK about this attack.
We also warn all other crusade countries like Italy, Denmark and Spain.

-Secret Organisation al Qaeda in Europe

Credits to Salih and Amir for helping out



This confirms the message from Sky.com

So I guess everyone that say bush is an idiot is now putting their tales between their legs. Now to everyone that thought we where just looking for a fight... Now you all realize what we are going through. If we allow all these people to keep this crap up NO NATION is safe! And thats why bush is doing what needs to be done.

kv-

Is that so? So how did all of these start, well simply with USA taking the lead starting to interfere with various middle east countries. They might have problems, but that doesn't mean they want people from outside to start interfering with their own business. And as a bonus those countries just happen to be the prime oil producers....

perhaps the UK government carried out today's attack to gain support for future military plans against terrorist harboring countries...say iran?

not enough people were killed today for a serious terrorist attack on commuter trains and buses.

the bombs could not have been very large or powerful.

true....but would a government do such a bloodshed? i mean 33 UK inhabitants, i dont think they would do that.

FLX

governments have been doing this sort of thing since the roman times. The desired effect is a sort of rallying cry which allows the country to "be steadfast in the face of terrorism" most likely to allow participation by British forces in Iran (I believe some special forces are already at work there unofficially).
The low death toll I believe is because anything of a 9-11 scale would prompt all sorts of enquiries not to mention the resources involved.
The fact that "Al-Qaida" have claimed responsibilty is pretty much an admission of guilt from the US/UK intelligence services in my book as most free thinkers know that they are mostly one and the same thing.

and a new reason for g.w.bush to start a war -.-

maybe terrorist are in iran this time or another country bush dont like ?

Peice of crap terrorists.

I totally cant understand why they feel the need to kill innocent people. THis is just straight out murder. And they say they do it for allah or islam or what ever. No god would ever condone something like this.

They are quite possibly the most vile people on this planet. Seems that someone needs to do something about these Al-Qaida groups

I believe they can't understand why Europeans occupy their country and in the process by 'mistake' kill tens- or even hundreds of thousands of their people.

I just thought of something else. Remember in those medieval movies where a king leads an army to fight another army. Before a battle begins the king would chant some encouraging words, then he would normally fall back and let those suckers die and you wonder why they fight for such an idiot. I can't stop to draw a parallell here to what some of the nation's leaders are doing.

Some people kill in name of god, others in name of safety...
I blame terrorists as I blame wars.
We don´t know what really happened in Irak but the thing we do know is when countries like Liberia or Zaire needed the Americans, Frenchs British or whoever, everyone left the country and let them in thei own shit. So why being so selective when you are suppose to save the people and protect the innocent people from the wars, starving and terrorists.
I´m Spanish and we also have people who got killed in name of Allah as as a revenge due to what happened in Irak.
But I guess you all know that and nothing has changed so far except for all those families and friends who lost someone that they loved.
The thing that we have to do is trying to communicate a bit better and having more women in charge of a country.
Holland (Beatrix) has no trouble with nobody, would it be because women communicate better then men?

We have problem with our people in our own country
I dont know if you live in holland like me, but there is some crazy shit happening since Pim Fortuyn died : /

FLX

Yup I agree.. and I don't like it at all...
It just gets worse and worse.. and seems the same is going to happen all around the world soon.. will it seems to start.. bah

Serhat

God bless the people who have died in this tragic event.

It's time for civilized nations to come together and combat 'this' enemy.

To kill in the name of God is wrong ... these people 'Terrorists' need to be stopped.

"Al-Qaida"/Terrorists .. what ever you call them are sick minded , and pathetic.

Alot of people oppose Bush .. well at least he has the balls to stand up to these SOB'S.

Yours Truly
Skulker

First of i give my condolences to the victims of the attacks and their relatives/friends.

That is obviously not al-qaeda, its another Israeli Mossad false flag operation. Even the editor at MSNBC, admitted that it coudnt' have been al-qaeda. In the written post on the website, theres mistakes in citing a verse in the quran, theres NO way in hell a person killing in the name of their holy book will make a mistake reciting it, this is obvioulsy done in order to get peoples eyes off the downing street memo and blair getting out of Iraq. Also to start hate towards the muslims that live in Britain.

Also The Israel Embassy in London was forewarned of the attacks, this guy Netanyahu was suppose to do a speech right ontop of the place were the explosions happened. Instead he was forewarned to stay in his hotel room.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_...in_explosions_1

This is the MSNBC analaysis
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8496293/

Even the name is f'ing ridicuosly fake.
"The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" . LOL, i think George lucas can come up with a better name. This is another pathetic attempt to frame muslims, When will it stop? I aint muslim, but this is going out of hand.

Another userful link
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3489.asp

This is not helping bush, and his war agenda at all. Staging terror attacks like nero did and hitler in the end proves useless when the people find out.
Muslim terrorist groups do not benefit at all from this, specially when european countries are helping Iran keep its nuclear reactors. I'm surprised they didnt blame it on Iran, i'd expect that from these warmongers.

First of all my heartfelt condolences to people affected by this incident

@ssj4conejo: I completely agree with u, this is another bad plot against muslims especially living in UK. Islam does not allow killing innocent people (irrespective of their religion) in the name of GOD. Now what i think, IRAN is on there target list especially after the the selection of their new president.

i have few muslim friends. none of them confirmed that it is written in koran to kill other ppl. one of them acctually read coran bible and jewish holy book and decided to become a jew
all of those ppl are normal. i think most of those terrorists are brainwashed. normal thinking ppl would not kill themself in the name of god or dzihad.
maybe if the muslim world could change koran so that nobody would misunderstood it, it would solve the problem

There is nothing to misunderstand about it mate.. the special thing about the Quran is that it isn't changed in time.. it's always been like it has been.. dunno about the nice design.. but the text is and stays the same.. they won't change it..

Serhat

Damn right, we all should know who carried out 9/11.
Although this may be terrorists it seems to be that the government is covering up something so who knows.

They blame Al-Qaeda only hours after the attack?

Al-Qaeda use the Internet now to take responsibility?

I would of expected them to at least make a fake osama tape....although I am sure we will see the fat jamican with a turban soon ....wouldn't be suprised anyway.

You just have to look what happens as a result of this attack and who gains from it.

All the condolences to people affected by this incident ..

I just wanted to say that Islam doesnt tell u to kill people , and if muslims did that , they are sick minded groups , and although muslims would like to kill militants attacking them , but killing the civilians is like having someone who is ur enemy and killing his son .. This is not a right thing to do to convince the man to do what u wanted to take revenge , u now kill someone who is innocent just to convince someone to do something , this is a lame crooked way would lead to more problems .. and after that everything would go wrong ..

And about terrorism all over the world , they always (attach) it to Islam , which is highly untrue , so now everyone think Islam motivates terrorism ..


Another Note is that Justice will remain , because being unfair to someone doesnt make the world go on .. So all the countries of the world should be fair to each other , and no hatred will come ..

There are extremists in every religeon. The Muslims have alQueda and the other groups. Christianity has people blowing up abbortion clinics.

Actualy I don't know of any Militant Buhdists?

Don't think there are any, And I think that has a thing to do with the way Buhdists are, unlike most religions to my knowledge they do not attack other religions.

I think this attack is wierd, correct me if im wrong but some of these attacks were in the subway, they have cameras there don't they? Why haven't they just taken a look at them?
Or have M15 or M16 confiscated them just like at the Pentagon on 9/11..........

it's MI-5/6 not M1 (military intelligence)

Ok taking a look at the news, the comments here and a look at the events in the past... also trying to be neutral from both sides, i say its just nonsense.

They have cameras in tube stations and they keep announcing for lost bags once they see an unattended item.

I agree with ssj4conejo, serhat and a few other members here... not to neglect the fact that the media is in hands of the government and they say what they want. I have many muslim friends and they all say the samething, "KILLING OF INNOCENT IN ISLAM IS A SIN, A BIG SIN!" and no matter what happens and wherever it happens, they name muslims responsible for it.

Is it fair to declare someone a suspect until you provide with evidance? I mean they dont even comeup with a proof that is fake and just declare them terrorists. I normally see guys with beards are on extra watch in europe and in a situation like this i do not think they would dare do something THIS BIG.

Lets for instance say that muslims did it... Talking about Quran and other Holly books, none teach killings of innocent... and it teaches not to interfere with other nations in their internal affairs. What right has any president or king to reach other countries and force his policy? NONE! and remember the newton`s law of motion? For every action there is always an opposite and equal reaction. If american soldiers slaughter kids and oldies in iraq, wont they ever fightback? its human nature to respond to an action inniT? i think if you slapped a coward even more than twice, the third slap would be responded back at!

ANd if we say that we are not sure what happened in iraq then i say its a pitty on us people to comment on issues we are not clear about ourselves. Neither Islam Nor Christianity teaches the sins like killings but people do it, so we dont call christians are killers but we call that killer as a christian(there is a difference).

All this situation makes me sick too but think about this, they have cameras in buses as well in london, where are the tapes? where are the proofs? why dont they study this case professional enough to convince people out therE? How can they straightaway declare a nation/religion as extremist without knowing what actually happened?

I hope i made my points clear...

PS: Be sure of what you speak, for there is a downfall not too far away!

now every one knows why israel and u.s is fighting arab and why iranian people want to change the governmet of iran..becouse arabs r terrorists
they r doing every thing to make a war ..those people r not living with peace nad they hate peace
and i think it was a nasty polity to make a new war with irans government but what ever ..every one knows arabs r killer

"..crusader countries..."

reminds me of the crusades.
crusaders and moslems are in war each beliving they are fighting for God.

if this is so, i hope its not a grude considering centuries has passed already.

anyways, if one just open there minds, all religions worship one supreme being. they only differ in customs and traditions. there is no reason to kill just because the name of your God is not the same as mine, or differences in traditions.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip.mp3


They planned drills the same time and place where the attack happened?

This also happened on 9/11, NORAD planned a drill where Terrorists would hijack jets and crash them into the WTC and Pentagon.

well its always useful to get the background knowledge of a scenario before declaring a nation a terrorist (mind it, im not from any arab country LOL just a neutral chat here)..............

obviously if i step in ur house, try to command u and humiliate u and ur friends who r in ur house, ur response would be a PUNCH IN MY PRIVATES if u dont kill me that is...... so wud u like to be called a trouble-maker there? think about it!

I agree with you. The terrorists who do such things are MADE crazy.. Its all about the prophet allah. They just thing the goto heaven with a holy death..

I'm not anti muslim.. I'm anti muslim terrorism..

lol i appreciate ur response raging_bull but u see we are not even sure if the *filtered* people who performed these terrorist activities were muslims... but anyway regardless of RELIGION, they people are trained to kill and thats a FACT! hence, they do not care about the age, gender and personality, they JUST DO IT!

London bombers 'were all British'

And after those 48 pages of accusing and insulting Saudis, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Iraqis, Islamic Organizations, and the entire muslim religion, police have strong leads connecting 4 British men to the bombings... wonder what those who were quick to throw in those insults and jump to conclusions got to say

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4676577.stm

was any surprised that the terrorists were carrying valid id? if a terrorist were carrying id, it would be fake for certain.

how about how the police have managed to identify the 4 terrorists in a matter of days, or the fact that they apparently met together at kings cross wearing rucksacks, before going on their way...

again, terrorists would not meet up in public, it would risk compromising the mission. they would travel seperately to their respective destinations and only communicate perhaps by secure mobiles.

this all stinks of a setup. could it not be that the MI5 planted the evidence at the bomb blast scenes before the explosions?

i also find it unlikely that suicide bombers would settle with such a small casualty list. if i were going to die for the purpose of killing others, i would travel at about 8:30 on the popular tube lines. they went at 8:55 on very quiet routes, hence not many died.

one the main tube lines at peak time, there are about 2000 people on a train.

this was very convenient for blair and bush, since the G8 summit was forgotten in the public eye. hence no need to sort out trade for the third world, no need to do anything about global warming.

also a positive sideeffect for them was it puts war back on the list of things to do (once we find the terrorists were funded by iran), and it increases public support for their past actions, and the introduction of UK ID Card and new anti-terror (read anti liberty rights) laws...

finally, did anyone see the speech by blair after the bombs? he looked in a terrible anxious state, far more disturbed than you would expect for a minor attack. we have had more deaths in rail accidents than this attack. to me, he almost looked like his conscience was eating away at him, it wasnt the fear making him shake, it was the guilt at what he done and the realisation of what he has become.

p.s. anyone else think it was MI5 who killed Dr Kelly, not suicide?

The terrorist were likely israelis with british papers, but they were NOT the ones they found on the bus. There were NO suicide bombers. It was all done with time bombs.
First of all, there were no workign cameras on the buses, and second of all this is just another attempt to blame arabs. i read one of the sites and its saying 3 of the british nationals were pakistani. THis is just utter bullshit again, i bet they just said hey there was a muslim standing near the bomb and he got killed, he must've been a suicide bomber. BULLSHIT. Thehy couldn't blame al-qaeda so their desperate to blame anything muslim.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...ntquestions.htm
there are some good questions on the london attacks.

I am a christian and for all you christians and other religions that keep thinking muslims are international terrorist, i feel sorry for you. You have once again let your leaders trick you into fighting your brothers. After all the muslim religion is the closest to christianity.

What i do see is not terrorist. Take a look at palestine for example. These people are trying to (filtered) survive. Watch a few documentaries and you'll see the truth. Or even better go live in palestine for a few years. If you come back alive tell your story. So many children shot dead, walking home, while in school, while playing outside. Even american and british people get killed in Palestine. I dont see a difference between a soldier emptying his clips into a child and his moms and a desperate (filtered) strapped to a bomb. Jihad is a struggle and it will continue, god bless the muslims fighting opressoin all over the world. In modern times i have never seen a muslim country trying to take over other countries. They are the ones always being invaded, they have a right to protect themselves. We wouldn't like it if canada came down and tried to annex everything up to Washington D.C.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298515.ece

the easiest thing out of any flaw or bottleneck the govt comesup with is creating this LIVE scene and claiming muslims to have performed this and they always make people forget the ongoing issues..... but its more than enough this time and something has to be done about it. some of the 4 guys they took into custody were very very young and woah this time they get pakitani bombers i mean LOOOOL <FILTERED> what the heck are they trying to prove?

tibbar and ssj4conejo are right there....... a muslim dude who would have been injured by the blast would have been spotlighted as a terrorist on scene lol...


PS: all these facts comeup only after poor planning by governments

Luckily though.. otherwise there would be more people believing in it..
and I don't want to get blamed for these kinda games from the government
we already had some kinda similar problems like it in the netherlands..
There are enough dutch members.. they should be able to confirm it..

Serhat

approved

FLX

According to an Israeli website, IsraelNN.com, Scotland Yard had received intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.

The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, the Liverpool Street underground station, where he was to address an economic summit.

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge caused the power to go out for an hour or more. It was known it was an attack, yet a false explanation was put out at first. Furthermore, why was Netanyahu warned about the attack but not the victims?

But the mainstream media is now changing its story and choosing to claim that there was no warning.

Comparisons were immediately made by the mainstream media between the London and Madrid bombings, but later on, it was reported that they were linked to the Spanish Security service.

The suspects then mysteriously killed themselves as this information began to seep out.

It was become apparent that Spanish government was using the bombings for its own gains and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks.

This shows, as some analysts suggest, that London bombings were either an MI5, CIA, or Mossad operation.

The reason becomes more obvious when the following is put into consideration.

On July 4th, Britain made the announcement that they would be pulling their troops out of Iraq over the next 18 months, but now, they have a reason to stay in Iraq, how convenient for Tony Blair and George W. Bush. Also this will help the British and U.S. Governments to Institute National ID card Programs, while tightening up "security" at all bus and train depots, like they got with the airline industry after 9/11. More searching without probable cause, more detainment of "suspects".

Then there is also the increased level of fear amongst the general populace this will generate as they pound it into the average American's and Briton's head over and over again.

Fear is an effective tool when one wants to scare many into submitting to things they would otherwise not accept. For example, after 9/11, the fear of 'terrorism" was used to pass the unconstitutional U.S. Patriot Act, which has since been proven to increase control over the people of the U.S. by severely impeding or completely nullifying most of the Bill of Rights, while at the same time doing very little, if anything, to prevent future attacks.

Britain has bombed itself before and blamed it on the IRA while the U.S. planned to attack itself in 1962 with Operation Northwoods. Israel has it's Lavon Affair. Hitler burnt the Reichstag Government building and blamed it on "terrorists". Nero burnt Rome, and essentially did the same, blamed "terrorists".

What makes this any different? They declare a "War on Terror" and now there is more "terror attacks" in the world than in 2001.

With all this talk of "terrorism" by the U.S. and UK governments, do you think they'd really miss-intelligence on a train bombing plot? And if they really did, shouldn't the American and British people demand answers seeing that all of their tax money spent on increasing "anti-terrorism" precautions where useless, being as they didn't even come close to stopping the London explosions?

Ok, first off I must say it was a tragic event that took place. Regardless of your religious beliefs you should take a few moments out of your schedule to say a brief prayer on for them, and their loved ones who must now suffer their loss or friend, mother, father, brother, sister, lover, friend.

Secondly I am deeply surprised as well as astonished to see some of the comments taking place. I would digest that most of these are based off of emotions and here say knowledge than actual facts.

I've always looked at GSO as having smart-intelligent- computer savvy members. I'm just surprised that the amount of information people base their opinions or postings off of are so limited in resources. That it seems like emotions are the way to voice ones self than the common sense of looking at ALL information both good and bad before forming an opinion that is not clouded by emotion but based off of documented facts.

Remember There has been no greater conflict in the history of mankind then that of the differences of religion.

A super smart highly intelligent man once said.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil. But because of those who look on and do nothing.

No everything we have discussed is 100 % the truth, we have provided links as well to "mainstream" media.

I think you just have that feeling deep down that you know something is wrong but your too afraid to admit it.

I have no speculated anything.

I do not want to turn this thread into a heated debate, I am just stating my opinion.

Think for a moment, if they admit (They have admitted...but I can't be bothered finding a source) that they knew minutes before the attack happened, why did the first news report say it was a power surge...was it a power surge? If so was it to knock out the security cameras?

Is is a coincidence that all the camera's on the buses were NOT working, all 3 of them!
The guy that maintained the camera's said it's total bullshit, and something suspicious happened.

For those of you who don't know also...that Egyptian Chemist or what ever was cleared, they found NO link to Al-CIAduh, I repeat NO LINK.

Hey aelphaeis_mangarae I see no heated debate coming around. In fact I appreciate you voicing your comments. So long as everyone keeps a level head, alot of ideas and opinions can be relayed without having to lock the thread.

May comments relate somewhat to items such as
or as well as a few other postings in this thread.

This would lead then to

Having personnaly dealt with the media on several occassions I can speak from personal experience that they will manipulate what is told so long as it serves the better purpose of increasing viewers as well as magazine sales. This is my opnion from my own personal experiences with them.



I would tend to agree with this as I am not a reader of the Koran I have on occassions come across a few of them. I have also had the good fortune to speak to various Middle Eastern families from different sects of the Islamic faith. Such as Sunni's, Druze, and yes even Shi'ites.

What I learned was that each is passionate about their beliefs, and because of those beliefs and willingness to adhere to the teachings I don't see the majority of them as overly violent or as the press puts it fanatical.

What I have come to understand is that there are a few individuals just as in any religion that take the teachings and manipulate the words to suit their cause.

Now I believe if I am not mistaken that several of the Islamic Scholars in England issued a fatwa condeming the bombing.

This is turn would be the 2nd fatwa against these acts as the first was done in Spain

When you have Mullah's and Imam's declaring these acts as violations of the teachings of Islam what other recourse does one have but to then look at the handfull of individuals as murderers.

As for the false flag operation. Everyone knows the Mossad is considered to be one of the most effective intelligence entities in the world. For them to post an advance warning should come to no surprise to anyone. A similar situation took place during the WTC incident.

I'll keep this short as I don't wont to post a book

-removed-

Developing News on the 2nd wave of London Bombings

What is quite amazing about all this, is because of this John Howard is making Australian ID cards.

And it looks like George Bush is using this as an excuse to renew the Patriot Act!

When you look who gains from this it is clear, considering some of the aspects of this attack are suspicious....you get what I am trying to say.

It is public knowledge that the Apartment bombings in Russia of 2000/1999 were done by FSB agents, they were arrested doing it.
Then when the media reported it (In Russia) Vladimir Putin had two of the largest media companies in Russia shutdown!

Government Terrorism is nothing new...and I mean Government Terorism works, and always has.

hmm seems egypt was next..
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/23/...ions/index.html



Serhat

Thing is that uneducated people are chosen for terror activities. Of course the terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, or any other religion, but uneducated people can be fooled that way that these things ARE for Islam, or for any other faith. Leaders of these groups are just some people who are filled with revenge, anger, and hate, and know very well that they can't do anything alone, so they seek some help from uneducated people, using the "same exploit" on all people, affected ones follow them, and kill for them, die for them, and so on.
BTW, i heard of another rumor that these terrorist leaders are trained by governments like USA, UK, and other powerful countries. Is it true? Well, if yes, then it will be a Frankenstein situation

Even if it isn't.. It's already a very awfull situation.. if this all just continues I fear the worst

Serhat

Well sadly it will always get worse before it gets better. Apparently a situation took place near a military facility in middle America. This happened around week and a half 2 weeks ago.

Yup it always gets worse before it gets better.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/regio...779a86926f9.lpf

BUMP

LONDON BOMBER MASTER MIND WAS WORKING FOR M16!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Aswat.wmv

FOX NEWS!

Aswat was an informant. Difference in being an informant, vs. on the actual payroll. Should come to no surprise to anyone that the use of informants to gather intelligence or aggregate intelligence is being used by government agencies.

Different ballgame. You can't have some Oxford, Cambridge, Yale or Princeton prepie iinfiltrate a terrorist group without sticking out like a sore thumb. He has to learn how to be a bad guy and some people who go deep undercover sometimes never come out. Not because they get killed but they have now assumed the full role of the bad guy.

Just think of the Stockholm Syndrome, then magnify it by 5.
Also might want to look at the image of Aswat you may see that something is out of place there in the car. But hey thats just my opinion.

Yes but you also have to remember he was protected as well, which is quite suspicious, they could of arrested him if they wanted to.